it was the crown jewel of the clinton administration that they could work with a republican house to finally come to a balanced budget and i don't understand how we couldn't do that now. he again reiterated did not feel that a balanced budget goal, and i couldn't imagine saying to the nation we're going it spend what we have and try not to oversped. >> mike: let's listen to a clip from 2008, during the campaign, seemed to have a different attitude about balancing the budget. >> number 43, added 4 trillion dollars by his lonesome so we now have over 9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back. $30,000 for every man, woman and child. that's irresponsible, it's unpatriotic. >> mike: you know, congressman, i get the impression that he felt it was unpatriotic with a 9 trillion dollars debt, but a 17 trillion dollar debt suddenly moves us back to patriotism. i'm confused at what point between 9 and 17 trillion of money that we owe did we get to be patriotic again? how do we deal with a mindset that completely changes the rules of the game? >> i don't know. that's the c